Perhaps even a narrow body equivalent to the 787 with pilot commonality.  Boeing expected the 737 MAX to meet or exceed the range of the Airbus A320neo. Such efforts have been done successfully in the past (eg, by Airbus), so it wasn’t considered “rocket science”.  Its first commercial flight was operated by Malindo Air on May 22, 2017, between Kuala Lumpur and Singapore as Flight OD803. After being charged with fraud, Boeing settled to pay over $2.5 billion: a criminal monetary penalty of $243.6 million, $1.77 billion of damages to airline customers, and a $500 million crash-victim beneficiaries fund. Boeing plans to improve its range from 3,515 nmi (4,045 mi; 6,510 km) to 3,610 nmi (4,150 mi; 6,690 km) after 2021. The airplane was to have a similar fuselage but made from composite materials developed for the Dreamliner. , Boeing 737-9 flight tests were scheduled to run through 2017, with 30% of the -8 tests repeated; aircraft 1D001 was used for auto-land, avionics, flutter, and mostly stability-and-control trials, while 1D002 was used for environment control system testing. Even the 787-10 barely had a media event for its rollout. Too many in the public just do not understand the concept of “unknown unknowns” and therefore make emotional (but nonsensical) proclamations about the safety of the upcoming re-certified 737-MAX ….  By late April 2020, Boeing signaled it hoped to win regulatory approval by August 2020. Obviously I was not referring to planes falling out of the sky! I do not know many other examples of companies who can milk a 60 year old design without any further innovation. The flight was a scheduled domestic flight to Depati Amir Airport, Pangkal Pinang, Indonesia. I think they just put the wing more in the back to make more aerodynamic effects on the fuselage. So let me see if I have understood. @Billc: The plane can seat up to 230 people and has a range of up to 3,300 nautical miles. There are times for “clean sheet” designs and there are times where “evolving” designs must suffice, due to market/financial/timing considerations! ———————————————————————————————————————– It succeeds the Boeing 737 Next Generation (NG). So yall instead target their geopolitics of the not being part of the 1st-world being Southeast Asia and Africa? I guess BA has many other things going well because I would think if the MAX was the only thing, no way the price would be at 371 and climbing steadily all day. I WILL NEVER NEVER NEVER FLY THE MAX. It’s about the people who design, build and support it. As far as the first deliveries of the 737 MAX are concerned, United says it is dependent on regulators re-certifying the plane. Maybe their engineers overestimated their abilities? , The nacelle features chevrons for noise reduction like the 787.  The airplane's Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System (MCAS) had malfunctioned on both flights.  You do the best with what you have at the time. He travels about 400,000 miles a year, primarily using miles and points to enhance his first class experiences. For my own flights I definitely prefer planes that always function instead of mostly.” —. flydubai observed 15% more efficiency than the NG, more than the 14% promised, and dependability reached 99.4%. @The nice Paul — “If you can’t even see the ludicrous contradictions at the heart of your position, maybe you’re not as rational as you’d like to think?” —. , In November 2011, Boeing selected the larger fan diameter, necessitating a 6–8 in (150–200 mm) longer nose landing gear. The timeline of the MAX return will determine a number of other fleet decisions at U.S. airlines. Last I checked, there is STILL the 1st Amendment and Free Will on that! Usually an airline debuting a new plane type is big news, though that’s not the case for Boeing today. However, except stretching and shrinking and different wingtips the A320 frame is basically the same whereas B737 NG received redesigned/increased wings among other major upgrades inside.  New struts and nacelles for the heavier engines add bulk, the main landing gear and supporting structure are beefier, and fuselage skins are thicker in some places for a 6,500 lb (2,900 kg) increase to the MAX 8's empty aircraft weight. The previous generations of the Boeing 737 averaged 0.2 accidents per million flights. I didn’t mention ANY names and You jumped right in and freaked out!  Production resumed in May 2020 at a low rate. Maybe their engineers overestimated their abilities?” —. Please view our advertising policy page for additional details about our partners. As Boeing trots out the new 73 variant, news today Boeing has settled nearly half of all claims resulting from the Lion Air crash. So one could argue which design is more outdated. If you read my previous posts, Boeing had no choice but to “evolve” the 737 into the 737-MAX in the way that they did (ie, using MCAS) due to many factors that arose from marketing dynamics, rather than engineering preferences! Earn 60,000 bonus points | 2X points on travel and dining.  Boeing ended the 2017 Paris Air Show with 361 orders and commitments, including 214 conversions, from 16 customers, including 50 orders from Lion Air. It would have needed to be so much better to compete and there wasn’t any indication a clean sheets design would be that much better than the NEOs, just much more expensive. I couldn’t tell that that was a joke … oh well! At this point, it would seem prudent to simply destroy all of the MAX planes in existence and redesign a plane that can truly compete with the new Airbus planes and might actually stay in the sky.  Three of eight galley trolleys are removed to accommodate more passenger space. Before the aircraft can resume service, repairs must be implemented per a forthcoming airworthiness directive from the FAA. It’s fascinating how every comment section is being flooded by trolls once the topic is ‘Boeing’. As you can see, the 737 MAX 10 is the highest capacity but also the shortest range variant of the MAX family. This method has been standard operations on both commercial and military aircraft for decades! , The automatic stabilizer control system has been enhanced to include Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System (MCAS) in addition to Speed Trim System (STS). The first customer delivery of the Airbus NEO was on January 25, 2016. , Entry into service with launch operator Southwest Airlines was expected in January 2019, but the airline deferred these orders until 2023–2024. Just from an operational standpoint, while there have been several anomalous behavior with MCAS over its almost two years of revenue operations before the two crashes, all previous incidents were able to successfully recover, presumably because those co-pilots were able to properly assist in their recovery efforts (among many other reasons)! yes, it was LionAir too, but no inference to that company.  AerCap CEO Aengus Kelly is cautious and said the -9 and -10 "will cannibalize each other". The delivery rate will also condition the production rate for new aircraft, to avoid compounding the problem. The semi-levered landing gear design has a telescoping oleo-pneumatic strut with a down-swinging lever to permit a 9.5 inches (24 cm) taller gear. , The largest part of the suppliers cost are the aerostructures with US$10–12M (35-34% of the US$ 28.5-35 M total), followed by the engines with US$7–9M (25-26%), systems and interiors with US$5–6M each (18-17%), then avionics with US$1.5–2M (5-6%). , In February 2018, Boeing forecast that 60–65% of demand for the airliner would be for the 737 MAX 8 variant, 20–25% for the MAX 9 and MAX 10, and 10% for the MAX 7. The 737 MAX 7, MAX 8 (including the denser, 200–seat MAX 200), and MAX 9 are intended to replace the 737-700, -800, and -900 respectively, and a further stretched 737 MAX 10. , The MAX 10 was launched on June 19, 2017, with 240 orders and commitments from more than ten customers. Its’ Boeing 737 MAX 9 features 159 seats, 20 first-class seats, 48 premium economy seats, and 111 economy seats. Billc – please fly on the ‘fixed’ MAX and if nothing happens for a few years, I might fly one. In retrospect, Boeing’s issues with the 737 started years before the MAX was announced. This was the first fatal aviation accident and first hull loss of a 737 MAX. The split winglet added 1–1.5%, a re-lofted tail cone 1% more. The MAX 9 aircraft are now operating between our Houston's George Bush Intercontinental Airport and five cities, including Anchorage, Orlando, Ft. Lauderdale, San Diego and Austin. Think the hinged wing tips for 777-8&9 to get the lift required. The catch is that unlike with the A321neo, there are no longer range versions than the MAX 10.  Entry into service is slated for July 2020. I have enjoyed reading through all your posts. Lucky must have realized that the Boeing topic works well for the clicks. , The rate increase strained the production and by August 2018, over 40 unfinished jets were parked in Renton, awaiting parts or engine installation, as CFM engines and Spirit fuselages were delivered late.  In October 2020, Southwest announced that it was considering the Airbus A220[relevant? United Airlines Will Base 737 MAX in Denver + Houston. the max grounding had nothing to do with the little fanfare. Cumulative Boeing 737 MAX orders and deliveries, The global fleet of nearly 400 737 MAXs flew 500,000 flights from March 2017 to March 2019, and experienced two fatal accidents for an accident rate of four accidents per million flights when it was grounded. Wow… there’s a lot of professional business advisors in the comments tonight. There’s no such evolution expected with the 737 MAX 10.  Boeing abandoned the development of a new design. From my understanding, the MAX has a design flaw where the engine is too large for the wings. Photo: United Airlines. On November 18, 2020, the FAA cleared the MAX to return to service once necessary design modifications have been made. Breeze Airways Wants To Pay Pilots How Much?! What are you talking about? Like Ben says, this is truly sad to see those hard working folks out like that and despite how hard they work, that will not fix the design problem.  @HereWeGo — “Hey Boeing, we recognize Your Goebbels-like propaganda efforts, constantly drawing all the attention to that Software hoping for everyone to forget abour the miserable and unfixable hardware-design.” —. Just compare the minimum number of flying hours’ experience required to qualify as co-pilot in SE Asia and Africa vs. those other regions to see the contrasts!  The rising costs also led Moody's to downgrade Boeing's credit rating. Long routes include 24 over 2,500 nmi (4,630 km), including a daily Aerolineas Argentinas service from Buenos Aires to Punta Cana over 3,252 nmi (6,023 km). Guess what, many countires there still fly much older planes than the MAX with absolutely no problem. For whatever reasons, some people just will not accept that anything else, except Boeing, could possibly be at fault with those crashes! , CFM International reduced production of the 737 MAX's CFM LEAP-1B, in favor of the A320neo's LEAP-1A, but is prepared to meet demand for both aircraft. What Boeing did was to mess that up in their Implementation with MCAS! ———————————————————————————————————————— , Boeing aimed to match the 99.7% dispatch reliability of the 737 Next Generation (NG). United plans to use the Boeing 737 Max 10 as a replacement for its very old fleet of 15 Boeing 757 aircraft. What I’m referring to, there, concerns rationality of thought as it relates to events, NOT “forms” of expression! I think the initial start of 737-100 dates back to 1964 so technically is is 20 years older. Are you suggesting that the engines are mounted above the (geometric) plane of the aircraft’s wing, like the successful private jet made by Honda (aka HondaJet), with its above-wing mounted engines?  The 18-blade, woven carbon-fiber fan enables a 9:1 bypass ratio (up from 5.1:1 with the previous 24-blade titanium fan) for a 40% smaller noise footprint. , The first flight took place on January 29, 2016, at Renton Municipal Airport, nearly 49 years after the maiden flight of the original 737-100, on April 9, 1967. Per a statement from the company, Poland's Enter Air SA entered into an agreement to buy up to four 737s.  People familiar with the investigation reported that during a flight piloted by a different crew on the day before the crash, the same aircraft experienced a similar malfunction but an extra pilot sitting in the cockpit jumpseat correctly diagnosed the problem and told the crew how to disable the malfunctioning Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System (MCAS) flight-control system. Opinions expressed here are the author's alone, and have not been reviewed, approved or otherwise endorsed by any of these entities. I’m just trying to inject some reason into these posts, where too many are spilling purely emotional feelings rather than reasoned engineering sense about the MAX!  Boeing had similar issues with 787s produced in South Carolina. @Justin — “… such as poor maintenance (Lion Air) and poor crew training and insufficient experience (Lion Air and Ethiopian).  The MAX BBJ 8 first flew on April 16, 2018, before delivery later the same year, and will have a range of 6,640 nmi (12,300 km) with an auxiliary fuel tank. About BenBen Schlappig (aka Lucky) is a travel consultant, blogger, and avid points collector. Remove the stretched fuselage and added capacity out of the equation, and Boeing would have had no problem re-engineing the 737NG and keeping the same old wing and landing gear.  Electroimpact has also installed fully automated riveting machines and tooling to fasten stringers to the wing skin. It would end up being so much more expensive than the A320 NEO series. You sound unhinged and not a little obsessed.  Boeing planned to increase its 737 MAX monthly production rate from 42 planes in 2017, to 57 planes by 2019. If today we stuck a 737-100 fuselage with the new engines it is likely it …  Air Lease Corporation wants it a year sooner; its CEO John Pleuger stated "It would have been better to get the first airplane in March 2019, but I don't think that's possible". This would have negated any need for a MAX-10. Working for Boeing? United is the biggest customer of the 737 MAX 10, with 100 of the planes on order.  Aviation Partners offers a similar "Split-Tip Scimitar" winglet for previous 737NGs. Following the Lion Air crash, Boeing issued an operational manual guidance, advising airlines on how to address erroneous cockpit readings. , Besides Ryanair, VietJet Air is also one of the few customers of the MAX 200 variant with an order of 100 airplanes placed in May 2016. , In March 2010, the estimated cost to re-engine the 737 according to Mike Bair, Boeing Commercial Airplanes' vice president of business strategy & marketing, would be US$2–3 billion including the CFM engine development. That should keep people occupied for a bit.”, Uh … I’m not Boeing’s PR, as I’ve criticized their failed Implementation of MCAS … besides — why would I want to relate the MAX to Tesla’s CyberTruck — two totally different animals with totally different issues! The owner of this site is not an investment advisor, financial planner, nor legal or tax professional and articles here are of an opinion and general nature and should not be relied upon for individual circumstances. Why any airline would want to buy their planes, or why anyone would want to fly Boeing planes, is inexplicable at this point.” —, So you’re indicting over 64,000 employees at Boeing Commercial Airplanes division in one fell swoop on account of the MAX? Outside of banner ads published through the Boarding Area network, this compensation does not impact how and where products appear on this site.  In January 2017, aircraft leasing company GECAS ordered 75. Is that all that this society has been reduced to? ———————————————————————————————————————– , In August 2011, Boeing had to choose between 66 in (168 cm) or 68 in (173 cm) fan diameters necessitating landing gear changes to maintain a 17-inch (43 cm) ground clearance beneath the new engines; Boeing Commercial Airplanes chief executive officer Jim Albaugh stated "with a bigger fan you get more efficiency because of the bypass ratio [but also] more weight and more drag", with more airframe changes. When United Airlines re-introduces the Boeing 737 MAX to their operations, flyers out […] @JB San Diego — “From my understanding, the MAX has a design flaw where the engine is too large for the wings. I have nightmares remembering I stepped on a 737MAX without knowing it, except for the extra door, so I knew it was some sort of stretched 737. You are whining at huge length about people who apparently insist you only communicate in one way. , In mid-2011, the objective was to match the A320neo's 15% fuel burn advantage. The new engine casings included chevrons similar to the 787 to help reduce engine noise. Or are you going to just pile on with inanities about my writing style?  Boeing modified the MCAS after the fatal accidents, and suspended production in January 2020 with approximately 400 MAX airplanes awaiting delivery. It’s MY right to express however I want to, anyway!  Industry observers began to question if Boeing's projection of record production rate of 57 per month would ever be reached. Meanwhile, while investigations into the Lion Air crash continued, the two 737 MAX Flight Technical Pilots continued misleading others—including at Boeing and the FAA—about their prior knowledge of the change to MCAS. In a statement from the Chicago-based carrier issued yesterday, United said that it plans to have the 737 MAX resume flights in February 2021. 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