Ergo, contradictory interpretations of practice and faith don’t matter, what matters is the kernel of truth, just as I’ve seen here before in Joe’s blog: belief that Jesus died for your sins ipso facto saves you. But, in reality, how many Protestants actually do that? And how can you be certain if you are not 100% certain you have a complete bible? Citing a handful of doubters is nothing compared to an ocean of people who either accepted, endorsed, or didn’t care much. Even in theory it was an impossibility. Given your own preference for the KJV’s language, you might consider a devotional “KJV with Apocrypha” (like this one). τε AND [POSTPOSITIVE COORDINATE] How can Protestants reject a necessary doctrine, when that same doctrine was under dispute in orthodox circles 1,000 years previously, by Augustine’s own admission? It only means that the only doctrines we can be certain of are revealed in the Scripture. 26:8-15). To ensure this accuracy, later scribes known as the Masoretes developed a number of strict measures to ensure that every fresh copy was an exact reproduction of the original. They are folowing doctrines from someone else who extrapolated their own doctrines from scripture. Completion of canon. If Jesus and the earliest Christians were concerned about making sure that everyone ended up at the same place (orthodoxy), the Reformers’ emphasis is ensuring that everyone departs from the same place. The evidence declares that “all Scripture is God breathed and profitable …” (2 Tim. Because of man’s obvious condition in sin and his obvious inability to meet his spiritual needs (regardless of all his learning and technological advances), special revelation revealed in a God-breathed book is not only possible, logical, and probable, but a necessity. Canon comes from a Greek term that refers to a “measuring rod.” Picture a ruler or yardstick with notches up the side indicating each incremental measurement. Similarly, succeeding prophets were received upon due authentication, and their written works were received with the same respect, being received therefore as the Word of God. According to Martin Luther, as long as we have the Bible, we don’t anyone telling us what it means, because “nothing whatever is left obscure or ambiguous; but all things that are in the Scriptures, are by the Word brought forth into the clearest light, and proclaimed to the whole world.” So as long as we all have the Scriptures and are led by the same Holy Spirit, we will all agree upon everything. 32 For example, whoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it will be forgiven him, but whoever speaks against the holy spirit, it will not be forgiven him, no, not in this system of things nor in that to come (Matthew 12). This is particularly significant in view of the fact there other murders of God’s messengers recorded in the Apocrypha, but the Lord excludes them suggesting He did not consider the books of the Apocrypha to belong in the Canon as with the books from Genesis to 2 Chronicles. 64 Frederick W. Danker, Multipurpose Tools For Bible Study, Concorida Publishing House, St. Louis, 1960, p. 57. Literally, it means (a) a straight rod or bar; (b) a measuring rule as a ruler used by masons and carpenters; then (c) a rule or standard for testing straightness. Only the books of the canon are considered authoritative in matters of faith and practice. The trinity defines God as being three persons in one being. 24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth. You cannot say: My Church teaches this so I believe it. 26). κατ’ DOWN/ACCORDING TO/AS PER (+ACC), AGAINST (+GEN) ἀνδρολογίαν εἰς INTO (+ACC) ἀργυρίου PIECE OF SILVER (GEN) δραχμὰς DRACHMAS/DRACHMAI (ACC) δισχιλίας TWO THOUSAND (ACC) ἀπέστειλεν HE/SHE/IT-SEND-FORTH-ED εἰς INTO (+ACC) Ιεροσόλυμα JERUSALEM (NOM|ACC|VOC), JERUSALEM (NOM|VOC) προσαγαγεῖν TO-BRING περὶ ABOUT (+ACC,+GEN) ἁμαρτίας SIN (GEN), SINS (ACC) θυσίαν SACRIFICE (ACC) πάνυ καλῶς WELL/RIGHTLY καὶ AND ἀστείως πράττων WHILE TRANSACT?-ING (NOM) ὑπὲρ ABOVE (+ACC), ON BEHALF OF (+GEN) ἀναστάσεως RESURRECTION (GEN) διαλογιζόμενος WHILE BEING-DELIBERATE-ED (NOM). Here’s RSV’s version: “In doing this he acted very well and honorably, taking account of the resurrection.”. Therefore, Jesus implicitly rejected the Apocrypha as Scripture. Thus, we’ve seen a steady and continual increase in new denominations and schisms, as Protestant Christianity becomes ever-more fractured and divided. I understand that if that medicinal action is taken the person still must attend the Holy Sacrafice of the Mass and continue as a catholic by supporting the parish/community he/she belongs to. The Greek Bible of Alexandria thus became the official Bible of the Christian community, and the overwhelming number of quotations from the Hebrew Scriptures in the New Testament are derived from it. 75 F. F. Bruce, Are the New Testament Documents Reliable?, InterVarsity, Chicago, 1943, p. 16-17. Following Moses, God raised up the institution of prophecy to continue revealing Himself to His people (cf. Josh. Regarding the question of the authentic interpretation of Scripture, Catholics have explained, “When Catholic doctrine holds that the ‘judgment of the church’ has a role in authentic interpretation of Scripture, it does not attribute to the church’s magisterium a monopoly over interpretation, which adherents of the Reformation rightly fear and reject. 8 Although he was a Son, he learned obedience from the things he suffered; Sometimes it is claimed that Martin Luther rejected the Book of James as being canonical. Two different beings to put your faith in. Further, as Joe and I already argued on 2 Maccabees, it is arguable that 2 Maccabees 12 speaks of prayers to the dead (or Tobit and Sirach of satisfaction, and etcetera). “Heresy” takes the form of a harmless opinion, usually between Protestant sects, or takes the form of Catholic/Orthodox/Coptic/etc. Your email address will not be published. You might, at this point, expect them to explain just what the Old and New Testament are, to put forward a Catholic Christian canon to counter the Marcionite one. And surely, Jesus and the early Christians have their priorities in the right order. It is worth looking up to be sure on this, so thank you for the challenge to dig a little more for the truth. 17:14; 34:27; cf. One of the terms used in describing the books that belong in Scripture is the word canon. There could be an interesting conversation to be had from this, but it seems clear that many here rather try to attack the faith of others than have a conversation. The English word canon comes from the Greek κανών, meaning "rule" or "measuring stick".Christians were the first to use the term in reference to scripture, but Eugene Ulrich regards the notion as Jewish. It’s no longer the case; it’s deliberate. 18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, that One declares [Him]. Canon of Scripture pt 1 – What is the Canon and Why it is Important May 22, 2018 by Dr. Erik Estrada The canon of Scripture proves to be among the least known subjects among twenty-first century Christians but its impact touches nearly every facet of the notable points of difference between Protestant, Catholic and Orthodox Christians. With the Reformers, the emphasis becomes ensuring that everyone begins from the same starting place: the Bible alone. In doing this he acted very well and honorably, taking account of the resurrection. 18 Qeo.n ouvdei.j e`w,raken pw,pote\ monogenh.j qeo.j o` w’n eivj to.n ko,lpon tou/ patro.j evkei/noj evxhgh,satoÅ (John 1 NA27) So there is no ‘unity of Godhead’. Today, the role and significance of the Holy Scripture and tradition are therefore understood differently in the Roman Catholic Church than they were by Luther’s theological opponents. 209. “Greek Christians by the fourth century A.D. had given the word a quasi-technical religious meaning, applying it to the Bible, especially to the Jewish books.”60. Did the book give internal evidence of inspiration, of being God breathed? He, too, skipped an obvious opportunity to set the canon of Scripture. I think you missed my point. This contrast is startling and tremendously significant. In essence then, Christ was saying “from the first to the last murder in the Bible.” This was equivalent to saying from Genesis to Malachi and demonstrated what He considered as the canon of the Old Testament. So God knows things that Jesus does not know. Before the Reformation, major figures had indicated the ecclesial plurality of interpreters…When Vatican II speaks of the church having an ‘ultimate judgment’ (DV 12) it clearly eschews a monopolistic claim that the magisterium is the sole organ of interpretation, which is confirmed both by the century-old official promotion of Catholic biblical studies and the recognition in DV 12 of the role of exegesis in the maturing of magisterial teaching” (ApC 407). Since A.D. 397 the Christian church has considered the canon of the Bible to be complete; if it is complete, then it must be closed. unprovable beliefs. 1 Do not let your hearts be troubled. that take pleasure in pointing out discourse within the Vatican and the Church in general…That’s also not very respectful or kind. These are obviously vital questions for the people of God to determine. How can you respond to a person who claimed that the canon of the Bible should still be open? But of course you didn’t mind going through the other Latin verses: “45 et quia considerabat quod hii qui cum pietate dormitionem acceperant optimam haberent repositam gratiam 46: sancta ergo et salubris cogitatio pro defunctis exorare ut a peccato solverentur”. The issue of reception is for me far more important than the other criteria (largely because the others cannot be falsified). But, this is incorrect. Second, your contention is ahistorical. The Biblical Canon Of The Bible 959 Words | 4 Pages. And making a gathering, he sent twelve thousand drachms of silver to Jerusalem for sacrifice to be offered for the sins of the dead, thinking well and religiously concerning the resurrection. 5. They would probably say that the pastor was “removed” and hence showing a forced push from the church. Regarding the Church’s relationship to the Petrine passages in Scripture, a few thoughts on the irony. Since the year 1517, modern Hebrew Bibles divided the books into thirty-nine, but kept the three-fold division including the arrangement of the books (Genesis through 2 Chronicles) as in the ancient Hebrew Bible. The following summarizes the tests used to discern which books were canonical. This study discusses the tests of canonicity that were used, the history of canonization and a brief explanation of why certain disputed books are not scripture. (Luther would have known this.) Our gift has been that we have somehow managed to live with it, and even make a virtue of it! A canonical book is one that measures up to the standard of Holy Scripture. (John 1 GLT) Tradition and the Canon of Scripture Lyrics Let us look at those Scriptures which provide a corrective to unwritten tradition a standard or “canon” by which it may be tested. The difference is in the order and division of the arrangement of the books. Did it edify the church? Out of the second of the Maccabees they will prove Purgatory and the worship of saints; out of Tobit satisfactions, exorcisms, and what not. I just feel well in that church”. Part of my post was also directed at myself. Although each book was canon in God's eyes as it was written, the canon had to be identified by religious … I converted to the Catholic Church in January of 2015, and am still struggling to find a Bible I like to read. The "canon" of Scripture is defined as the books of the Bible officially accepted as Holy Scripture. So anybody who actually, seriously, believes in sola scriptura has to read every book which is in the Bible and decide for himself whether or not he agrees that they are all inspired AND THEN go off and read all the other books which have at one time or another been considered to be inspired and decide which of those books he considers to be inspired. The above evidence shows the books of the Old Testament, as we have them in our Protestant Bible, were God breathed and therefore authoritative and profitable the very moment they were written. Mark wrote the gospel of Mark, but he did so under Peter’s endorsement. When you cannot just deny the canonicity of it, you bring specious exegesis-cum-translation to fit a square peg in a round hole. That is just considering the content, without even taking into consideration the far greater variety of covers, sizes, and printing formats available to a Protestant. This comes from the Greek word kanon, meaning reed or measurement. “The fact that the text fails to say that the prayer was even good, or that God answered it, or that it can under any circumstance avail the dead is crucially damaging to your POV.”. This was one of Sir Isaac Newton’s anti trinity arguments. Read this post to find out the answers to these questions. My denomination, ELCA, is rather open for various views based upon scripture, faith, and plain reason. Anyway, the text says that his actions (prayer + sacrifices) were not just good, they were a “holy and pious thought”, he was acting “very well”, “honorably”, “nobly”. Note also Joshua 6:26 compared with 1 Kings 16:34; Joshua 24:29-33 compared with Judges 2:8-9; 2 Chronicles 36:22-23 compared with Ezra 1:1-4; Daniel 9:2 compared with Jeremiah 25:11-12. The more I read Protestants’ writings about “orthodoxy” or “heresy”, the more I realize that doctrine is the last thing they care about. However, this is not even possible. Only explicit statements of Scripture. is canonical or not, because it doesn’t support the doctrines Catholics say it supports, anyway. Here’s an interlinear Septuagint with the whole verse broken down: ποιησάμενός UPON BEING-DO/MAKE-ED (NOM) Debates over canonicity. The Muratorian Canon included all the New Testament books except Hebrews, James, and one epistle of John. B. The Masoretic text of the Hebrew Old Testament contains twenty-four books, beginning with Genesis and ending with 2 Chronicles. Period. That is why your original translation was so misleading. 12:43: after this he took a collection from them individually, amounting to nearly two thousand drachmas, and sent it to Jerusalem to have a sacrifice for sin offered, an action altogether fine and noble, prompted by his belief in the resurrection. II. That is not to say these men did not recognize more letters as canonical, but these are ones they mentioned in their correspondence. If you want to persuade a Protestant that prayers for the souls in Purgatory are a proper part of Christian prayer, it won’t suffice (as it might have for, e.g., a Christian of the fourth century) to show that it’s been part of Christian Liturgy and prayer from the very beginning, or that the Church has routinely reaffirmed the orthodoxy and import of these prayers. Because of what I said, no argument Joe put forth here will ever convince anyone who thinks that such questions are useless to begin with. believe that the Canon of the Old Testament is the rule of faith, the standard for judging all controversies of religion. My denomination, ELCA, is rather open for various views based upon scripture, faith, and plain reason. Now Jesus raised his eyes heavenward and said: Father, I thank you that you have heard me. Then we have 2 TIm 3:10-4:5, where Paul teaches the exact same thing. http://aleteia.org/2016/03/18/former-lutheran-pastor-why-i-am-becoming-catholic/. They make my point. Abel’s death is recorded in Genesis and in the Hebrew Bible 2 Chronicles is the last book. Then there were a few books that some questioned because of doubts about the author, not the content, but were later accepted because the majority accepted them.73. Question: What is the official Protestant definition of “sola scriptura”? 1. Probably 90% of the population could not read and even less had access to written Scripture in the 1400s and no one probably had the access to early Christian writings like we do today. Your Greek “interlinear” makes no sense, while the only translation that stands out to agree with you is a Latin one. We can confidently accept the Bible today as God's Word, reading and living by its teachings that have been revealed and preserved for us today (2 Timothy 3:16-17). As a final argument, if it is true that Jesus and God are the same person, then Jesus talked to himself in public, and prayed to himself in private and so was in fact a schizophrenic. There are some 250 quotes from Old Testament books in the New Testament. I wonder if you might be willing to do a post on various Bible translations? For other articles on canonicity, see our web page at www.bible.org under “Theology,” and then under “Bibliology--The Doctrine of the Written Word.”. There are now more than 5,300 known Greek manuscripts of the New Testament. The pope claimed that his office was instituted iure divino (“by divine right”), while Luther could not find biblical evidence for this claim.” From Conflict to Communion via http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/chrstuni/lutheran-fed-docs/rc_pc_chrstuni_doc_2013_dal-conflitto-alla-comunione_en.html#The_authority_of_Scripture_. If we believe in such a God, it is also probable that He would, out of love and for His own purposes and designs, reveal Himself to men. Second, the Reformers declare the exclusive authority of Scripture. 9 You must pray, then, this way: Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified (Matthew 6). The evidence shows that the Bible is unique and that God is its author. Deut. The criterion for acknowledging the Pentateuch was whether it was from God’s servant, Moses. When Luther did not see a biblical basis in Rome’s statements, or thought that they even contradicted the biblical message, he began to think of the pope as the Antichrist. (c) Minute statistics were also kept as a further means of guarding against errors: in the Hebrew Bible at Leviticus 8:8, the margin has a reference that this verse is the middle verse of the Torah. So who is going to tell Protestants that it is wrong to extrapolate? Decisions of men. So one might be looking for evidence that no longer exists. Yet we remain (sometimes tenuously it must be said) part of the same body. 2 A work that deals more with this question of order than most do is William R. Farmer with Denis M. Farkasfalvy, The Formation of the New Testament Canon (New York: Paulist, 1983). The Twelve Minor Prophets were divided into twelve, instead of being counted as one book as in the twenty-four book division. DouayRheims(i) 43 And making a gathering, he twelve thousand drachms of silver to Jerusalem for sacrifice to be offered for the sins of the dead, thinking well and religiously concerning the resurrection. 18 qeo.n ouvdei.j e`w,raken pw,pote\ o` monogenh.j ui`o.j o` w’n eivj to.n ko,lpon tou/ patro,j( evkei/noj evxhgh,satoÅ (John 1 TIS) Compare Deuteronomy 18:18; 31:24-26; 1 Samuel 10:25; Nehemiah 8:3. Scholars studying the biblical canon have routinely discussed biblical manuscripts as important sources—whether we’re talking about the Dead Sea Scrolls or the Greek biblical pandects from the fourth century CE (Vaticanus, Sinaiticus). Therefore, the doctrine of the Trinity is a certainty. Augustine wrote that: “But who can fail to be aware that the sacred canon of Scripture, both of the Old and New Testament, is confined within its own limits, and that it stands so absolutely in a superior position to all later letters of the bishops…the authority of Councils; and further, that the Councils themselves, which are held in the several districts and provinces, must yield, beyond all possibility of doubt, to the authority of plenary Councils which are formed for the whole Christian world; and that even of the plenary Councils, the earlier are often corrected by those which follow them” (Against the Donatists, Book II, Chap 3). Ultimately, Scripture is the test of everything; it is the Christian's standard. He cannot permit free thinkers to enter the congregation, they might see through his little game and liberate his brainwashed victims. 63 Ryrie, electronic media. Thank you so much! The responsibility of the church was simply to attest to the fact of their inspiration. "Canonics" is thescience of determining which whole or partial books are authentic, i.e,inspired. Jesus responds to the Sadducees’ skepticism about the resurrection by accusing them of knowing “neither the scriptures nor the power of God” (Mark 12:24). In Matthew 23:35, Jesus said, “that upon you may fall the guilt of all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.” The murder Jesus spoke of is recorded in 2 Chronicles 24:20-22. 18 qeon oudeij ewraken pwpote monogenhj qeoj o wn eij ton kolpon tou patroj ekeinoj exhghsato (John 1 VatB). This list of books included in the Bible is known as the canon. They need your wisdom more than we do. “inculcates” those doctrines — not for you. The church fathers accepted the thirty-nine books of the Old Testament. So, for them, Mac. It appears to me “on behalf of” modifies “resurrection”. Scripture is God-breathed, and it's life's final and ultimate authority. The question naturally arises, what process and by what means did the early church recognize which books were canonical and which books were not? Instead, they go straight to the heart of the problem (the heresy that the God who created the world is different from the God who redeemed it), without focusing very much on the incomplete canon (which was, after all, merely a symptom of the underlying heresy). Mark notes that this is because the Sadducees “say that there is no resurrection” (Mark 12:18), but he doesn’t mention why they say that. ” 2 Macc 12 explicitly does not endorse anything other than Maccebeus’ prayer being good”. 3. If we believe that God exists as an almighty God, then revelation and inspiration are clearly possible. If you want to persuade a Protestant that prayers for the souls in Purgatory are a proper part of Christian prayer, it won’t suffice (as it might have for, e.g., a Christian of the fourth century) to show that it’s been part of Christian Liturgy and prayer from the very beginning, or that the Church has … Hampton wrote many articles for the Biblical Studies Foundation and on... More. 43 Et, facta viritim collatione ad duo milia drachmas argenti, misit Hierosolymam offerri pro peccatis sacrificium, valde bene et honeste de resurrectione cogitans. I’m not even certain of your existence, since it’s not in the Bible, or in the Upanishads. So God sent Jesus forth, and God himself remained entirely in heaven whilst Jesus was on the earth. 3For the historical developments and factors involved, see esp. There was no canon of scripture in the early Church; there was no Bible. Instead, a correction was placed in the margin called qere, “to be read,” and that which was written in the text was called, kethibh, “to be written.” (b) When a word was considered textually, grammatically, or exegetically questionable, dots were placed above that word. If said reverend refused to change his views, would you be running around saying he didn’t leave Lutheranism he was kicked out! But several things began to happen that promoted the formation of the New Testament canon. 42 True, I knew that you always hear me; but on account of the crowd standing around I spoke, in order that they might believe that you sent me forth (John 11). 3:16). 67 Charles C. Ryrie, Basic Theology, Victor Books, Wheaton, IL, 1987, electronic media. But I’ve noticed the same reaction from more affable folk. Period. In fact, the word canon means "a rule, standard, or measuring rod." The basis of Christianity is found in the authority of Scripture. I don’t believe that being excommunicated means “kicked out”. Now, Augustine did not say this because he himself doubted the doctrine. (3) Apostolic writings were used in public worship, hence, it was necessary to determine which of those writings were canonical. But if it is not you, then why are you telling us what sola scriptura should mean? I prefer formal to dynamic translation, meaning that I’ll take a slightly-clunky sounding translation that is more-or-less word-for-word over a “translation” that just conveys the general meaning. I found a copy of just the Deutero-Canonical books in KJV on that same page, so I’m going to get those to keep with the KJV I already have. I also prefer the formal translations. So the holy spirit and the Son are not co-equal and are different beings. (John 4 KJVi) “what doctrines are certain if you exclude oral Tradition and some kind of authority to help us be certain?”. They simply recognized what God had already determined. Deltaflute is right about my personal preferences. By the way, your Baptist faith is against it, and some Lutherans, Anglicans, Methodists and Episcopalians are for it. Perhaps unsurprisingly, I agree with you about the existence of Reformed communities which are as doctrinally strict as Roman Catholicism, and with less justification (since they lack the sort of authority needed to be making the sort of declarations that they make). Strictly speaking, he is correct. 66. And because they are inspired, no other books are; they have a unique divine authority by which we follow in our life and belief what they teach. In any case, I am quite glad to hear from you again! Not only that, we probably only have a small percentage of all the early Christian writings. In the fourth century there was also prominent recognition of a New Testament canon. Without the aid of the three tools listed above, how can Christians be expected to unanimously find their way to Christian orthodoxy? was a 1966 graduate of Dallas Theological Seminary and a former pastor of 28 years. As I’ve mentioned before, it’s because the Sadducees’ Bible only included the Torah (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy). 74 Josh McDowell, Evidence That Demands A Verdict, Historical Evidences for the Christian Faith, Revised Edition, Here’s Life Publishers, Inc., San Bernardino, 1979, p. 39. Not everything an apostle wrote was inspired, for it was not the writer who was inspired but his writings, and not necessarily all of them. Rejection by the Jewish Community. In acting in this way, the early Christians were following the pattern laid down by Christ. Your question/example does not fit my denomination. But this is 3 spirits in one soul which is demonic. 1:20-21). I don’t think about truth. Did it reflect a record of actual facts? 15 He said to them: You, though, who do you say I am? This process began immediately with the writers recognizing that their own writings were the Word of God (Col. 4:16; 1 Thess. Also God is a spirit said Jesus, and we must worship him in spirit and truth. The conflict concerning indulgences quickly developed into a conflict concerning authority. I think Joe cannot say this is the reason that every Protestant rejects the Deuterocanon, as the reasons are mainly historical. So, I guess Joe’s post today is important for a number of reasons. I would describe the RSV:CE’s language as modern-but-dignified, a sort of via media between the exalted language of the KJV and the more casual language of the NAB. Did he formely submit his discontinuance with the order? This means that no other document of antiquity even begins to approach such numbers and attestation. However, the inevitable consequence of adopting sola scriptura is that everyone has to extrapolate their own doctrines. One cannot easily forsake oneself can one! The control freak only wants brainwashed people. Philo (around A D. 40) referred to the same threefold division. In short, Marcion’s heresy is about trying to de-Judaize the Gospel, and this heresy leads him to try to purge the Scriptures of all of their Jewish elements. 3:15) suggest a generally accepted Old Testament canon. Is it you? The reason I ask is because what you’re saying about sola scriptura is not true. For almost twenty years after the ascension of Christ none of the books of the New Testament were even written and about sixty-five years elapsed before the last New Testament book was written. P.S. 4. Clement of Rome (c. A.D. 95) mentioned at least eight New Testament books in a letter; Ignatius of Antioch (c. A.D. 115) also acknowledged about seven books; Polycarp, a disciple of John, (c. A.D. 108), acknowledged fifteen letters. Although these reasons are important, I do not think they are sufficient. There were some books that enjoyed an acceptance by a few, but were later dropped for a lack of universal acceptance. No, it is you who need “a little bit of a more literal translation.”. God became Jesus’ father again by saving him out of death, by resurrecting him. In fact, both Peter and Paul set this example in their final letters.2 Peter 1:12-2:1 goes into detail how Scripture, not a bishopric or a live in tradition, is the safeguard against false prophets. (2) Old Testament quotations by Jesus Christ. So, for you, “fine and noble” isn’t good?”. Other designations such as “The Scripture” (John 10:35) and “The Sacred Writings” (2 Tim. But it’s important to remember that these councils did not determine which books were inspired. et facta conlatione duodecim milia dragmas argenti misit Hierosolymam offerri pro peccato sacrificium bene et religiose de resurrectione cogitans. There may be a few here who can ruin things for many with comments made out of less charitable motives. Finally, there was a collection of the books into a canon.”68. 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